Norman Church and I think his additional comments are worth considering.
----- Original Message -----
From: Norman Church
To: 'larrylewis'
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:10 AM
Subject: RE: The elephant in the room
Larry,
Thanks for your email.
Please don't just send the paper to friends, the doubters, etc, also send it
to people like yourself. There are not many who really appreciate the
inter-relatedness and the effect one part can have the others. Let alone
what gave affect excess population does have on it all.
It is important to recognize that humanity is not, overall, in a position of
overshoot at the moment. Our numbers are still growing (though the rate of
growth is declining). However, we are getting obvious signals from our
environment that all is not well. These signals seem to be telling us we
are approaching the maximum carrying capacity. If the carrying capacity
were to be reduced as our numbers continued to grow we could find ourselves
in overshoot rather suddenly. The consequences of that would be quite
grave.
I also have hopes of meeting up with Lovelock shortly as he does not live
too far from me.
My biggest fear is that as Clinton stated we will now be left with nature
taking its course on the future will be one of collapse like we have never
seen.
We have history such as the Mayans and even Romans but rebuilding after
those collapses will be different in that then we still had the finite
resources available that we have now nearly used. We will not have those
this time around so it will be completely new to us and nothing like it was
before.
I'll keep you posted as and when and thanks for your emails.
Norman
From: larrylewis [mailto:larrylewis@baymoon.com]
Sent: 06 March 2008 04:00
To: Norman
Subject: re: The elephant in the room
Norman,
I saw your essay at: www.321energy.com
I thought it was very well stated and aswell much needed... that all these
issues are being tied in together.
Also, using a country to document this world crisis and how they may have
developed gave it a visual emotional reference that is not usually offered.
I plan to reread the essay and also send it along to friends and that
special category: doubters as opposed to such like my self:
believers...that it's all coming our way and soon.
This is new for me to have something to believe in... even if it's the 'end
of the world'.
And their is the other category of folks those looking for comfort...that
technology will save us and all the crawly things aswell.
The economy is softing some of these folks up for the coming surprise.
And those quotes from Earth Abides was a nice touch and which i also
appreciated.
So thank you again for doing more than your part and combing your knowledge
and skills while furthering our understanding of what's ahead.
I did see a recent interview article on TOD with J. Lovelock.
The person doing it was not up to it in my opinion as he should have been
just asking the questions and not trying to analysis the responses offered
by Lovelock. Maybe it was the journalist fear showing through.
But what struck me right off is Lovelock has become more 'exact' as to the
evident time line. And also more candid about the insignificance of our well
intentioned proposed climate change responses. In this case...saving plastic
bags at the grocers.
He is now writing another book on the subject. I am wondering if he will
drop the Jane and Tarzan type story. I felt he may have had to throw in the:
"a few thousand breeding pairs" to pacify the publisher.
Or maybe some one had read Earth Abides and hoped James would become
descriptive aswell.
And for more of us it's know taking on form and not just scientific
abstract. "Conformation of a black cloud is being reported as spotted from
the front porch."
Lovelock still seemed compassionate but somewhat less patient. I guess he is
getting tired of suffering fools. It appears he has his time line down to
2020. I don't recall if he was giving out dates in his recent book of 2006
.... and 2020 is just a blink away.
The Mayans had 2012 but then i was recently told their where actually two
dates offered 2012 and 2016. And now we have J.L's 2020 and we all will take
the four to eight years update.
I hope you have a nice spring, Larry
PS:
We have had allot of rain and snow on the Sierra Nevada range of mountains
here in California. But i think it's just a wet blip. The reservoirs are not
ALL filled. So it's again the interlocking problem of no snow in the
mountains will mean no water in the south with it's 23 million people. Maybe
not this year but soon.
The Colorado river is dammed by the Hoover Dam which creates Lake Mead the
largest man made lake in the nation.
They are now speculating it will be dry or energy producing dysfunctional by
2017 or 25. It also is designed to generate electrical power.
And that also means no water for large cities in three states as well as the
drip that Mexico was sometimes getting.
And the empty California state coin bucket may also mean no water in L.A.
because the north to south aqua duct system is complex and costly to
operate, repair and now needing to be enlarged.
And the state is double broke along with it's citizens, towns, cities,
counties and as i said... our fair state. It's no longer the golden state so
I'm calling it the 'fair state' until the calamity happens and we are all
standing in the ocean.
Do I expect earthquakes? Looking at a seismic map for the west cost of the
N. American continent is a frightening thing to see. And besides my folks
where in SF during the 1906 earthquake. So I grew up knowing 'it's' just
taking a short nap and that it could snore or turn over at any moment.
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